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    ɼʱ200718ͷͷǼMark Magnierdı
йĽʵԲҩ֮սScalpel vs. herb in Chinaı
ΪChina's medicine wars½йҽ֮д
֧ҽһı绤ԷҽһĹ۵Ҫֻҵһ仰
౻Ϊ޶Ĳҩʵ϶Ժܴ󣬡ѧߡרҺһ¶ѧ
վĴʼ˷˵Ǵҵߺ֧øֽڼڸǡ
"Many herbal medicines considered innocuous are actually very 
toxic," said Fang Zhouzi, a biochemist, columnist and founder of a 
website that targets academic fraud. "But practitioners and proponents 
cover this up using various excuses."

    ҵܸüߵĵʼɷʱش14⣬ְʴ
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RE: interview request from L.A.Times

1.      What problems do you see with TCM these days?

The biggest problem is the safety. Biomedical research has shown that 
many herbal medicines considered as innocuous by TCM are actually very 
toxic and can cause serious diseases, such as renal disease, cancers, 
hepatitis, etc. But the public haven't been fully aware of this problem, 
and TCM practitioners and proponents are covering it up using various 
excuses. TCM is still generally advertised as a "natural medicine 
without any toxic and side effects", and usually doesn't list its 
possible side effects. 
Another problem is that TCM practitioners are used to make 
exaggerative and dubious claims about its efficacy and fool too many 
people. Although almost none of TCM treatments has passed double-blind, 
random-assignment, placebo-controlled test, most Chinese believe that 
TCM has always been the best medicine and can cure almost any diseases. 
The national pride complicates the issue, and criticizing TCM is 
unthinkable to many Chinese people and almost like committing a 
traitorous act. 
Because TCM is not really effective, it's very common that chemical 
medicine is added into TCM medicine and sold as pure TCM medicine. 
This cheating practice is also very dangerous to patients. 

2.      Are there a lot of fake doctors and abuses?

Yes.

3.      Do some people try and get rich or take advantage of people 
without having the training?

Yes.

4.      Do you think it is not scientific? Please explain.

TCM is not based on science, but based on mysticism, magic and anecdote, 
plus some folk remedies. Its theoretical system is generally 
untestable and unmeasurable, and is totally incompatible with modern 
science. It's more like a religion, which still worships ancient 
medical works written hundreds of years ago. TCM practitioners often 
cite ancient medical works as their basis to make diagnosis and 
treatment. Is there any science that is recognized and practiced in 
only one nation, completely independent from other sciences, and 
worships ancient works? That will be a very special science. 

5.      What other problems do you see with China's reliance on TCM?

Even after proper medical treatments, Chinese patients are usually 
asked to spend extra money to buy unnecessary expensive TCM medicines, 
which it's a waste.
It has also wasted a lot of public funds to "scientifically" prove the 
theory of TCM, e.g., try to demonstrate the existence of meridians.


6.      What does Western medicine offer that TCM does not?

Although modern medicine first appeared in the West, it does not 
belong to the West anymore. Therefore I prefer the term of "modern 
medicine" or "medical science" to "Western medicine", and reserve the 
term "Western medicine" for traditional Western medicine, such as 
homeotherapy. Modern medicine can perform surgical operations, prevent 
and cure a lot of disease (particularly infectious disease), which TCM 
can't. Even to those chronic diseases, there is not scientific 
evidence that TCM is more reliable and safer than modern medicine. 
Modern medicine is more reliable and safer because it's based on 
scientific evidence from experiments and randomized clinical trials.

7.      What is the problem with some of the ingredients? Are they 
sometimes unsafe?

Many TCMs contain toxic ingredients. For instance, more than 20 herbal 
medicines contain aristolochic acid, a well-known nephrotoxin and 
potential carcinogen. There are a lot of reports that patients 
developed end-stage renal disease in association with the use of 
herbal medicines containing aristolochic acid. Many TCMs contain high 
amounts of vermilion and realgar, and can cause mercury and arsenic 
poisoning.
 
8.      Do you have examples of cases where people have died or become 
worse from using TCM?

Since 1993, Western researchers have shown that herbal medicines 
containing aristolochic acid are potent nephrotoxin, but Chinese 
government and TCM practitioners refused this finding until 2003. 
Because this 10-year delay, it is estimated that more than 100 
thousands of Chinese patients developed end-stage renal disease and 
required renal transplant or dialysis because they took Long Dan Xie 
Gan Wan, a popular OTC herbal medicine containing aristolochic acid 
and produced by the famous TCM manufacturer Beijing Tongrentang. Some 
victims have sued Beijing Tongrentang.
Two years ago, one of my close relatives died from stomach cancer. For 
many years he only saw TCM practitioners and took TCM to treat stomach 
pain and dyspepsia. When he was finally sent to the hospital, he had 
developed terminal stomach cancer and was too late to have proper 
treatments.

9.      Are some of the ingredients bad for the global environment, i.e. 
using endangered animal parts?

Yes, based on principles of sympathetic magic, TCM still treasures 
rhinoceros horns, tiger bones and penises, bear gall bladders and 
other endangered animal parts.

10.   What would you propose to reform TCM?

China is probably the only major country in the world that has two 
independent medical "sciences", and applies a very different, very low 
standard to TCM. We shouldn't consider TCM as another legitimate 
"medical science", but an alternative medicine. Its theoretical system 
should be completely abandoned, and the efficacy and safety of TCM 
should be fully tested using scientific methods. We should apply the 
same rigorous standard to both TCMs and modern medicine.
 
11.   Do you think the Chinese medical insurance system should cover 
TCM?

Since the majority of Chinese people believe and use TCM, I think it's 
reasonable to fulfill their requirement.

12.   Mao spoke of the need to marry Eastern and Western medicine. 
What do you think of this idea?

Can you marry astrology and astronomy, alchemy and chemistry? It's 
impossible to combine two incompatible systems. It never works. It 
only gives doctors an excuse to charge patients more by prescribing 
unnecessary TCM. But of course, some valuable herbal medicines and 
folk remedies can be absorbed into modern medicine after sufficient 
scientific investigation.   

13.   The government is seeking heritage status for TCM and seems to 
view it as a part of   China's cultural export and image overseas. 
What do you think of that idea?

I support to seek cultural heritage status for TCM and put it into 
museum. TCM is a cultural, although unscientific, heritage.

14.   It seems like more rich people in Western countries are 
embracing TCM while more people in China question its value. Why do 
you think that is?

I consider it as part of anti-science and anti-culture movement in 
Western countries. Since modern medicine can't cure every disease, the 
alternative medicines, like any pseudo-sciences and superstitions, can 
always exploit people's ignorance and weakness, and will have soils to 
survive and grow.

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